Cane Corso Forum
Breeding => Breeders introductions => Topic started by: del_angelo on June 02, 2007, 11:04:19 AM
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I have been a registratet breeder for 27 years, with other breeds than my angels.
in 2002 I got my first cane corso, and today I have 7 cane corso. My dogs are my best freinds, and I treat them, with love and respect, without forgetting they are still dogs :)
some of them live inside my house and sleep in my bed, some live outside. every dog is different and not all of them, like to stay inside. I havent made any puppys untill, the 2 litters i have now, because I wantet to gather enough knowledge about the good and the bad things, in the breed. Otherwise it would be like fumbling in the dark, I think. but thats just my oppinion, and im just trying to do my best, in benefit of the breed.
My breding goul is, to make dogs who are both show winners and have excellent working abilitys. I admire the true corso nature, and will do anything to keep the dogs that way- strong and alured, but great familypets in the same time. but i guess, thats what we all try to do
I have very high demands to my selfe as a breeder, and do not sell dogs with unorthorished white markings, pigtails ect.I try to make dogs, with strong heads and very strong bones. I like the big cane corso type, like fx the russian dogs :)
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So what will you do when you ever get a Corso with too much white or a kink tail? Put it to sleep???
Sooner or later you will run into problems like that, will you just kill them because of a defect, will they just be worthlessly for you?
You are still the breeder and you produced them and they can live a normal life as pets. Nobody is perfect....
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Good question Sandra! :-\
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... and im just trying to do my best, in benefit of the breed.
... but i guess, thats what we all try to do
So what will you do when you ever get a Corso with too much white or a kink tail? Put it to sleep???
Sooner or later you will run into problems like that, will you just kill them because of a defect, will they just be worthlessly for you?
You are still the breeder and you produced them and they can live a normal life as pets. Nobody is perfect....
Sandra give a chance, cause as she said is trying to do her best. She waited for 3 years and now she got her litter.Let her celebrate.
No one is free for the shoes stones as nobody is perfect.
Marcus
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Sandra give a chance, cause as she said is trying to do her best. She waited for 3 years and now she got her litter.Let her celebrate.
No one is free for the shoes stones as nobody is perfect.
Marcus
Yes, but since she says that she is a new breeder and it is her first litter, how can she say the that she never will sell dogs with too much white or kink tail. Let her breed some more litters and she will find out that this is not possible...
I am sure, no breeder wants to end up with problems like that but sooner will have to face it, like I said, nobody is perfect. But I hate when people tell how perfect they are before they even start to really breed...
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yes I am a new breeder regarding cane corso, but I have 27 years of experience as a breeder of other breeds. And I have brought up, many champions in my time.
I think (and this is afcouse just my oppionin), that as a breeder, we/I have a big responsibility bringing up correct cane corso. Especially because our breed was cloose to die out. If I get puppys here, with serious disqualifing faults, I will bring them to the vet. familiy pets or not.The only one that decision hurts, is me. I am the one, that to go to the vet, with pain in my heart.It is no fun to a thing like this. The puppys dont feel a thing.I am a breeder, because I want to contribute to the breed, with the best I can.
I am not bringing puppys into the world, just to make puppys.. In some countrys the standart is a skandal, and that is because people let everything live, and even breed on the dogs, that have serious faults.there is puppys enough in this world that need a good home. No reason to make more of them. go to a lokal animal shelter, and take a look around. if people wants a familypet, i suggest they go there..
If you want to build up the breed, you cant have dogs that have white all over, or pigtails or anything else like that. because people start to breed them, no matter what they look like. And then the breed dont have a serious future, after my oppinion.
I could have startet to breed years ago on my female, like a lot of people do. They get a dog, and as soon as it is old enough, they start to make puppys. Some people dont even travel to find a good male, they just use what comes in handy, in there own country.
I spended time to get my female winning so many prices in different countrys, before I even concidered making any puppys. I have been trying to gather as mush information as possible from the old corso breeders, and i spended so many hours, studing the different lines look. Because there is many bad cane corso, not looking correct, and I wanted to be sure about what I did. I wanted to make strong dogs, brave like lions, with big bones and beautifull heads. Not boxerfaces, not small dogs with bones like a labrador. And dogs with a great karakter and stong personality.This took time to do, and this year I finally found that I was ready.
Look at my puppys. I did do a good job. hardly no white markings, just a little on the cheast or on the cheak, if any at all. Strong heads, short noses and super strong bones.afcouse not all of Stasias puppys have perfect head, because of there mother, but if they gets her absolutly wonderfol moovements, topline,cheats, her perfect angulations and her exceptional caracter, I still did a good job. This litter is the first generation, in my own line of dogs. I know my dogs forces and faults, and im working on making the not perfect things, better.
I know, that a lot of people get upset by my way of doing this. But in my eyes, this is what seperate a serious breeder from an amathour. Bash me for my oppinion if you like, but this is the way, I feel about breeding dogs, and I think you should respect that. Being a breeder is not just about making puppys. It is to contribute to the breed, with the best you can...
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So you can be lucky that you don't breed in Germany because here it is against the law to kill puppies without a seriousmedical reason and you would never find a vet that does it...
And the second thing is that every litter will be controlled by the kennel club and if there is a default like too much white or kink tails, the dog does not get breeding rights in the pedigree and later would never pass the breeding test. So for sure no puppies after a dog like that (at least not with pedigrees).
If I breed, I will welcome every puppy I produce, no matter how good or bad. I am responsible for what I produce because I breed dogs
which are living creatures, there always can go something wrong. When I start to loose the respect for life, I will find another hobby for me but I would never kill an animal just because I think it is not looking good enough and I cannot respect people that think like this...
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that is your oppinion and I respect that, but I dont agree. and im really happy that im not a german breeder, if that is the conditions. Though the german kennelklub are doing one really great thing. According to you, they dont give that kind of dogs a pedigree. If that was the matter where I live, I wouldnt have to put anyone to sleep.
But that is not the case in Sweden, where people even use that kind of dogs for breeding.
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I feel like my english isnt good enough to get to involved in this discussion but i wonder if theres a litter with mutch white and kink tails....
If you put those pupps down beacuse of that why do you leave all the rest to grow up? They have still got the same genes as those pupps you put to sleep.... I dont get it??? Offcourse you shouldnt breed those dogs with deformed tails but if you really dig in to it you end up with zero, nada left ::) ???
I work with transgenic mices its almost only inbreeding, if i get a litter with deformed pupps i do not put any of theese offspring in to breeding.
So if you want to pull it hard, do it right. Dont even use those littermates of the onces with to mutch white and kinktails that you put down in your breeding.
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hello jenny
your swedish right?? write to me in swedish if its difficould in english, i understand all swedish.
its logic that if I have unfurtune one day, and get puppys with deformed tails ect. I would never again use those 2 dogs for breeding. that goes without saying.
But if you have one litter of puppys and some have to much white, then it doesnt mean, that the puppys without the white, is still carring the white colorgeen. colors and fysikal defekts are 2 different things.
in the nature, most animalt who gets to much white(in a spicie that is not suppose to be white), will often be killed by its own kind, or the mother wont nurce it.
if all kennelclubs kept the FCI standard, and refused dogs with strong defekts to get a pedigree, there would be no reason to make a selection like I do, to make sure the breed will stay true to the standart. But as long as people can and do breed on dogs, with fx a whole white bottom side, or even white legs and pigtails, I could never sell a dog like that to anyone.puppy buyers say one thing when they get the puppy, but very often they do the excat oppsit than agreed.and even if you have a contract, you can do nothing.
if dogs that are fare away from the standard, with disqualifieng faults, can win in the showring in some countrys, or make pedigreed puppys, then why have a standart at all? I dont know if you get my point, because now its me who have difficulties to explain excalty what i mean in english.
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if your problem is that those puppies wil be used in progrms why not to do what the cat ppl do to sale them already spayed on leser price but still with those peds?
you don't have problems to use thel ittermates of this puppies so why not elimente those problomatic puppies by ending there abilty to reproduce?
i look at those life that i bring into this world as in my responsibilty, when they'll lose there home even at 14 years old they will always come back to me, i was the one who brought them into this world, because of me they alive buti have no premission to killthem just because some standart says so, standart is only standart but a dog is a dog
sorry i don't see a reason why a puppy with deformaty that isn't affacting healthy life should be pts and i won't find any vet here that will do it
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I would do diference, you are able to forbid breeding with a dog by Swedish Kennel Club, so I would forbid that puppy there have erors not to get a pedigree for any futures puppys.
And the only one there can lift that, is the persen there have forbid it, so even if the puppy get another owner, they are not able to get a pedigree in breeding for that puppys later liter. :)
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I feel like my english isnt good enough to get to involved in this discussion but i wonder if theres a litter with mutch white and kink tails....
If you put those pupps down beacuse of that why do you leave all the rest to grow up? They have still got the same genes as those pupps you put to sleep.... I dont get it??? Offcourse you shouldnt breed those dogs with deformed tails but if you really dig in to it you end up with zero, nada left ::) ???
I work with transgenic mices its almost only inbreeding, if i get a litter with deformed pupps i do not put any of theese offspring in to breeding.
So if you want to pull it hard, do it right. Dont even use those littermates of the onces with to mutch white and kinktails that you put down in your breeding.
You are right it is also a question on genetic. But I do not belive that you can not make a perfect dog with out any defects. Either in look or perfect in healt for to produce that for future generations.
If that woes posible, humans did not suffer from any deciase at all.
you are able to limit, but there will always be deceas there sudently will show up and have not been there for years.
But it is posible to limit and study for better results.
Why work radical if you can limit, to forbid that dog with erors to not breeding in the future,
the way is to forbid it through swedish kennel club in future breeding.
I have done it with one of my dogs, the first CC I bought from a kennel.
She a happy liwing with a family with out getting any puppys.
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I feel like my english isnt good enough to get to involved in this discussion but i wonder if theres a litter with mutch white and kink tails....
If you put those pupps down beacuse of that why do you leave all the rest to grow up? They have still got the same genes as those pupps you put to sleep.... I dont get it??? Offcourse you shouldnt breed those dogs with deformed tails but if you really dig in to it you end up with zero, nada left ::) ???
I work with transgenic mices its almost only inbreeding, if i get a litter with deformed pupps i do not put any of theese offspring in to breeding.
So if you want to pull it hard, do it right. Dont even use those littermates of the onces with to mutch white and kinktails that you put down in your breeding.
Just wondering about genetics - I know a senior man and a long time ago born his first son. Unfortunately his son had epilepsy(born with it) and died few years later.This man wanted to have more kids. In yours opinions do you think he should or not? His or from his wife combination could result in a terrible experince again?or if not could it pass to their gran-son or to anyone ahead?
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I feel like my english isnt good enough to get to involved in this discussion but i wonder if theres a litter with mutch white and kink tails....
If you put those pupps down beacuse of that why do you leave all the rest to grow up? They have still got the same genes as those pupps you put to sleep.... I dont get it??? Offcourse you shouldnt breed those dogs with deformed tails but if you really dig in to it you end up with zero, nada left ::) ???
I work with transgenic mices its almost only inbreeding, if i get a litter with deformed pupps i do not put any of theese offspring in to breeding.
So if you want to pull it hard, do it right. Dont even use those littermates of the onces with to mutch white and kinktails that you put down in your breeding.
Just wondering about genetics - I know a senior man and a long time ago born his first son. Unfortunately his son had epilepsy(born with it) and died few years later.This man wanted to have more kids. In yours opinions do you think he should or not? His or from his wife combination could result in a terrible experince again?or if not could it pass to their gran-son or to anyone ahead?
In my opinion you shouldnt compare a litter of sick mice pupps with a coupel of humans having bad luck with a child :-\
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With your opinion of breeding Susen :: ), you just tell me that my Daffie should have been killed, when she was born ??? >:(
In your breeding of CC, do you ever think of the mentality and health (HD etc)? Or did you only got on the looks? :-\
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I think with dogs you would not make same combination again.
Dogs have mostly more than one pup in the litter.
So also you can see if more pups have the problem.
You can check the pedigree to see if there were more problems in the lines and after you make a second combination and there are pups again with epi it would be usefull to stop breeding with the mother.. same with the father if he had given epi before too.
If you have a female wich littermate had epi and she gets a pup with epi too i would stop breeding her.
But with people it is different.
you get 1 child. so for sure most people would try again.
I think if i were the parents i will not try to get a 3th child if the 2th also gets epi.
But to come back on the kiling of the pups.....
The parents are giving it... the problems. will you exeute the parents too after they gave a few pups with kinky tales etc etc
Or castrate?
If it is the parents there give it genetic to the pups,
lets call theme X liter.
And then you get a pup called X,Y from X liter there look god and have no erors.
You kill the brother to that puppy called X,O and the sister called X,P from X liter (because off ilnes or looks).
You sell puppy X,Y and when it become adult the new owner make puppys on X,Y.
What is there to prevent that X,Y gets puppys as X,O and X,P like the previus litter?
So what is the idea in killing X,O or X,P?
just dont get it.
then it would not help to kill that puppys brother or sister in the first place?
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The important thing is to not use the same comination of 2 dogs if the 2 together give a bad litter or some puppies in the litter was born with defects.
You won´t pull the breed forward by killing offsprings and still use the parents in breeding. By doing this you will not eliminate the problems. Only prevent people to know that the parents has produced puppies with defects...because we will never know how many puppies got killed and what the defects was.
Anyway, no dog is perfect, so why kill healthy puppies? It is a totaly different thing if the puppies are not able to have a normal life.
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:'( :'(
As stated by some one else, you can just sell the pups that are not top notch prospects cheaper as pet quality pups with a spay or nueter contract so they can't reproduce.
Alot of owners want the dog because of the temperment and working ability, not just showing.
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Alot of owners want the dog because of the temperment and working ability, not just showing.
Thanks for these wise words :)
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I think those that are questioning the situation with the parents and littermates of the pups in question are on to something here. It sounds to me like you are one step away from saying that the Cane Corso race should be exterminated if they cannot produce pups with correct tails and only very minimal white marking. This seems outrageous, but I will go in a different direction...
I propose this solution:
Why not raise these pups to the age when they can be safely spayed / nuetered and sell them for half the money, in order to cover the expenses??
This is easier in the States, because we can have limited registration and it is usually possible to enforce contracts. I can see that this situation is very different in Europe, but I can't justify killing a pup that will otherwise have a good quality of life. This pup could bring great joy to someone's life that possibly could not afford to buy a "perfect" dog.
In my opinion, producing great pups is work and finding great homes is a responsibility... perhaps more work than creating pups in the first place. I think that if you are not prepared to do both, you should either not breed at all or plan to keep every pup that you produce, forever.
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You can limit registration here too. I can sell a pup with limited registration by requesting to the kennelclub that this pup is not to be used for breeding. Only the person that limited the registration (the original breeder) can later change it back to a full registration.
You can spay and neuter at an early age. But we can not look into the future. We are already severly limiting the genepool from this breed. Breeding for the best looks only. Breeding the best hips only. 1 Known problem pup in a litter and breeders are under severe attack if they dare to use a littermate or a parent again. When we do run into severe problems due to that too limited genepool the spayed and neutered dogs can not help us any more. The dead pup even less :'(
I agree with you that as a breeder you are responsible for all pups you produce and have to find homes for all of them. Killing a pup for not being healthy and having no way of having a good normal life, that I can live with. But killing a pup for having some white (too much for 1 breeder does not have to be too much for the next) or other no life theatening things....... That is severly limiting the genepool of this breed and only harming the breed. For now this pup might look like it can not contribute anything good to the population. But having seen ugly pups turning into real beauties. Having seen white on pups become a lot less when the pups grow up. These pups would not have a chance with a spay/neuter contract or when killed. And think what all the severly limiting of our genepool is already doing to our breed...... We will run into a lot more problems if we continue like this. Then you could only wish you had not spayed and neutered the dogs with those so valuable good genes the breed needs than. Let alone kill them........
Check out http://www.canecorsoforum.info/index.php?topic=1438.msg16409#msg16409 where I tried to explain myself in a bit more detail.
Besides the genepool, I also would like to see an entire litter when I buy a pup. We often have seen 1 beautiful pup from a litter filled with ugly ducks, not producing the best quality (this is not always the case, but it is often). And average quality pups from above average litters, produce much better. By killing the less good pups, not only is that an easy way to not have to go through the trouble of finding such a pup a good home, it is also a way of pretending that the entire litter was of good quality and that does show a very wrong image of that litter and the expected quality those pups will produce later on.
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In my opinion, producing great pups is work and finding great homes is a responsibility... perhaps more work than creating pups in the first place. I think that if you are not prepared to do both, you should either not breed at all or plan to keep every pup that you produce, forever.
Im a bit late to this but I had to comment...well said ron i couldnt have said it better myself if i tried.
killing dogs for small defects is whole 101% wrong and should be punishable. In my opinion...but everyone has one of those :) dont we.
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But if you have one litter of puppys and some have to much white, then it doesnt mean, that the puppys without the white, is still carring the white colorgeen. colors and fysikal defekts are 2 different things.
in the nature, most animalt who gets to much white(in a spicie that is not suppose to be white), will often be killed by its own kind, or the mother wont nurce it.
Old thread, but I can't help miself.
This just shows how frikkin' ignorant you are.
Since when did dogbreedeing become "the natures way"??? It has never been. Humans have always made the selections.
And how can you really think that a colour affect the working/pet abilities in a dog?
Look at the breed when it was called Cane E Presa (99.9% working dogs back then), there where alot more variations in colors and type before the FCI had it's veto.
Not saying it was better in the good old days. Well i maybe where b'cos you werent around.
Get real woman!
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In beglium there is the possibility to become an 'elitebreeder'. These breeders has to follow certain rules. One of the rules is to take care that litters don't get bigger than about 8 puppies. This is a rule of the kennelclub of Belgium. The breedclubs has to inform there members about the concequenses of big litters for the health of the puppies and the mother.
How will a breeder take care for litters not bigger than 8 puppies? I know in the past there were more of this kinds of rules. LIke it used to be done by the great dane in Holland.
Maybe it's worth thinking about this why these rules are? I am not saying I like this rule, but there is something true, not so big litters are good for mom and the puppies ::)
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There was not talking about size of the litter, there was talking about killing a puppy for looks, that puppy may just as well come from a litter with 3-8 puppys. So It was not a talk about the mothers health. :)
I dont belive in killing a puppy just because it got a litle to much white, that puppy is able to be a loved family dog. :)
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In beglium there is the possibility to become an 'elitebreeder'. These breeders has to follow certain rules. One of the rules is to take care that litters don't get bigger than about 8 puppies. This is a rule of the kennelclub of Belgium. The breedclubs has to inform there members about the concequenses of big litters for the health of the puppies and the mother.
How will a breeder take care for litters not bigger than 8 puppies? I know in the past there were more of this kinds of rules. LIke it used to be done by the great dane in Holland.
Maybe it's worth thinking about this why these rules are? I am not saying I like this rule, but there is something true, not so big litters are good for mom and the puppies ::)
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There was not talking about size of the litter, there was talking about killing a puppy for looks, that puppy may just as well come from a litter with 3-8 puppys. So It was not a talk about the mothers health. :)
I dont belive in killing a puppy just because it got a litle to much white, that puppy is able to be a loved family dog. :)
Nope I know, but there was something about killing puppies for what for reasons. What would you choose if you were in Belgium and had a litter of 10 puppies (really normal for CC), which puppies would you kill?
Uh I am happy I am not getting in a situration like that, I dont find it natural to kill a healty puppy. :(
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In beglium there is the possibility to become an 'elitebreeder'. These breeders has to follow certain rules. One of the rules is to take care that litters don't get bigger than about 8 puppies. This is a rule of the kennelclub of Belgium. The breedclubs has to inform there members about the concequenses of big litters for the health of the puppies and the mother.
How will a breeder take care for litters not bigger than 8 puppies? I know in the past there were more of this kinds of rules. LIke it used to be done by the great dane in Holland.
Maybe it's worth thinking about this why these rules are? I am not saying I like this rule, but there is something true, not so big litters are good for mom and the puppies ::)
There is something called natural selection, in lot of litters its normal, where there is puppy / puppys there dies with in first 24 ouers and more days.
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yes I am a new breeder regarding cane corso, but I have 27 years of experience as a breeder of other breeds. And I have brought up, many champions in my time.
I think (and this is afcouse just my oppionin), that as a breeder, we/I have a big responsibility bringing up correct cane corso. Especially because our breed was cloose to die out. If I get puppys here, with serious disqualifing faults, I will bring them to the vet. familiy pets or not.The only one that decision hurts, is me. I am the one, that to go to the vet, with pain in my heart.It is no fun to a thing like this. The puppys dont feel a thing.I am a breeder, because I want to contribute to the breed, with the best I can.
I am not bringing puppys into the world, just to make puppys.. In some countrys the standart is a skandal, and that is because people let everything live, and even breed on the dogs, that have serious faults.there is puppys enough in this world that need a good home. No reason to make more of them. go to a lokal animal shelter, and take a look around. if people wants a familypet, i suggest they go there..
If you want to build up the breed, you cant have dogs that have white all over, or pigtails or anything else like that. because people start to breed them, no matter what they look like. And then the breed dont have a serious future, after my oppinion.
I could have startet to breed years ago on my female, like a lot of people do. They get a dog, and as soon as it is old enough, they start to make puppys. Some people dont even travel to find a good male, they just use what comes in handy, in there own country.
I spended time to get my female winning so many prices in different countrys, before I even concidered making any puppys. I have been trying to gather as mush information as possible from the old corso breeders, and i spended so many hours, studing the different lines look. Because there is many bad cane corso, not looking correct, and I wanted to be sure about what I did. I wanted to make strong dogs, brave like lions, with big bones and beautifull heads. Not boxerfaces, not small dogs with bones like a labrador. And dogs with a great karakter and stong personality.This took time to do, and this year I finally found that I was ready.
Look at my puppys. I did do a good job. hardly no white markings, just a little on the cheast or on the cheak, if any at all. Strong heads, short noses and super strong bones.afcouse not all of Stasias puppys have perfect head, because of there mother, but if they gets her absolutly wonderfol moovements, topline,cheats, her perfect angulations and her exceptional caracter, I still did a good job. This litter is the first generation, in my own line of dogs. I know my dogs forces and faults, and im working on making the not perfect things, better.
I know, that a lot of people get upset by my way of doing this. But in my eyes, this is what seperate a serious breeder from an amathour. Bash me for my oppinion if you like, but this is the way, I feel about breeding dogs, and I think you should respect that. Being a breeder is not just about making puppys. It is to contribute to the breed, with the best you can...
You say you are a experience breeder and jet you had a litter with a female Cane Corso and a mixed dog breed, you didnt kill any of theme. ? I dont get it?
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That's true, but what if there are still more than 8 alive? I couldn't do it, but still I noticed in very big litters the puppies are smaller and it takes a lot more from the mother. And giving the puppies xtra milk isn't natural neither
may be its not natural to give the puppys milk, but if the female have 10 breast filled with milk its not nesesary.
Every situration is difence.
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That's true, but what if there are still more than 8 alive? I couldn't do it, but still I noticed in very big litters the puppies are smaller and it takes a lot more from the mother. And giving the puppies xtra milk isn't natural neither
may be its not natural to give the puppys milk, but if the female have 10 breast filled with milk its not nesesary.
Every situration is difence.
I know, I only was talking about this rule in Belgium were 'top'fokkers has to be care that litters won't be bigger than 8 puppies. I wonder how that's possible.
Yes I understand, I wouth call it human desided darwinisme the strongest would survive, but humans are not fit to make that desision, even if they make genetik test on each puppy, they can not be sure abouth temperement and looks for a show dog when it become adult.
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I wouth have done the same if there was problem and one puppy.
And what happen with:
that the dog is humans best friend.
Killing healty puppys is seak.
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On the World dog show 2008 oppen class winn female from my kennel Doris Corso of Bajer in the owning of this kennel. In the english version has the owner very nice wort about the female (and also about our kennel), but I was surprice and cant belivet, when I read about the same dog in the sweden version in swedish (whit help of the translation) the worts, what write the owner of the kennel :o :
"Donna kommer fra en kennel, hvor hundene ikke bliver socialiseret, og det har påvirket hendes psyke kraftigt.
Donna is from a kennel where the dogs are not socialised, it have affected her character/ mentality very much.
Jeg fandt også ud af, at hun er blevet fjernet alt for tidligt fra sin mor, og det går jo b.la udover hundens selvtillid.
I also found that she was taken from her mom to soon, and that is making the dog have bad self confidence.
Derfor har jeg måtte holde hende hjemme fra shows, i 2 år. Hun fik panik angst anfald, når hun kom i ringen.
Because of this I had to keep her from shows for 2 years, she got panic attacks when she entered the ring.
Donna har været i special træning, hos Handleren Nicola Mille i Italien, hele foråret/forsommeren 2008 for at ændre på dette.
Donna have been in special training with handler Nicola Miller in 2008 for this.
Det er blevet bedre, men er ikke blevet 100% iorden desværre.
It is better but not 100%
Det er ærgeligt, for når man køber en hund som showhund, forventer man også at hunden fungerer mentalt. Men af skade bliver man klog, og jeg køber aldrig hund fra den kennel igen(eller andre kenneler hvor det er industri-dyr og ikke kæledyr).
It is making me mad, because when you buy a dog for show, you expect the dog to be ok in mentality. But from experience you learn, and I will never buy a dog from that kennel again (or other kennel that keep "industry-dogs" "
Then my reaktion was first sat, after anry and finaly I wont to write her and correct all the worts. I write to her today a email:
Hello Susane,
I dont know how I has to begin, but Im sure you will understand what I mean.
I went to your homepage to write you comlimenti for Doris result in the shows and I was shocked, when I see what you write on the "home" version in your homepage!?
I was always very oppen and friendly whit you. When you has contact me 3 years ago and you wont buy good CC puppy female for lovely price, I has offer you our Doris 3 months old (whit natural ears) for 900 euro. You has like the female and for your special wish I went her cropp in faw days, before you was coomming pick up her. You was personaly in my kennel and has meet me, my family- my husband, my duaghter, the son of my sister- we all was friendly whit you, we has pick you up in the aiport and the same day we drive you back again also whit Doris, my husband take you whit me in the lunch and all gratis for you, because we has hope we got new friend in Skandinavia..
You was happy when you saw first time Doris, she was also whit us in the restaurant and you was surpises about her very good charackter (and you has explain me, that you first CC female has very bad charackter when she was puppy and you was sooo happy that Doris has so good charackter!) You meet her sisters I keep for me self- Dupina, Debie and Daphne- all whit the same sweet charackter, you meet Nina- the mother whit very stable, sweet and fantastic charackter, you meet her granddad Jones and you self write only famous worts about him and also the visit in my kennel in your english version in your homepage!
One year latter you has got problemm in Sweden because Doris was cropped and I know you write very bad letter to Czech kennel club, that Im cropp my dogs ilegal (which is of course not true, because in Czech is corpping from veterinar mitov possibille, just showing is not possibille!!!) and I cant belivet, you has do this, because I cropp Doris of your special wish!!!!!!!!! (She has natural ears, when I offer her for sale to you).
But the same year you has ask me for a new puppy from my kennel and my answer you know. Of course I dont wont to give you any more puppy and if you are angry of this my decision, still is not motiv to write such lie about me and my family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Donna kommer fra en kennel, hvor hundene ikke bliver socialiseret, og det har påvirket hendes psyke kraftigt.
Donna is from a kennel where the dogs are not socialised, it have affected her character/ mentality very much.
All my dogs are living whit us in the home in garden, all dogs from my kennel are friendly and loves me, my family, my all animals,... which you has self seen when you visit us and you has just speak in superlativ aout us in my home! Any of my dog was not friendly whit you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeg fandt også ud af, at hun er blevet fjernet alt for tidligt fra sin mor, og det går jo b.la udover hundens selvtillid.
I also found that she was taken from her mom to soon, and that is making the dog have bad self confidence.
What is this shit Susanne??????????????????????????????? All my dogs are living together, which you see self and until 8 weeks they are always nonstop whit the mother!!!! Im also one of the breeder which keep the puppies until 10 weeks minimum in my home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you explain me this big shit lie????????????????????????
Derfor har jeg måtte holde hende hjemme fra shows, i 2 år. Hun fik panik angst anfald, når hun kom i ringen.
Because of this I had to keep her from shows for 2 years, she got panic attacks when she entered the ring.
Wha is this for shit? I saw Doris self and speak also whit the handler Nicola and also he told me the same, what I think, the female has any correct trenink for the show and she just hate the fast lish on her neck, this is all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And this is problemm of the trenink for show! How she can winn whit 9 months on her first show Certifikat, when she would be panic in the show??????????????
Donna har været i special træning, hos Handleren Nicola Mille i Italien, hele foråret/forsommeren 2008 for at ændre på dette.
Donna have been in special training with handler Nicola Miller in 2008 for this.
Nicola told me she has not need any special trenink and he told me she like him from the first momment and is very sweet dog!!!!! (dog whit panic charackter????????????????????????)
Det er blevet bedre, men er ikke blevet 100% iorden desværre.
It is better but not 100%
The female winn now so lot show and is not 100% for the show?? This is just joke...
Det er ærgeligt, for når man køber en hund som showhund, forventer man også at hunden fungerer mentalt. Men af skade bliver man klog, og jeg køber aldrig hund fra den kennel igen(eller andre kenneler hvor det er industri-dyr og ikke kæledyr).
It is making me mad, because when you buy a dog for show, you expect the dog to be ok in mentality. But from experience you learn, and I will never buy a dog from that kennel again (or other kennel that keep "industry-dogs"
Belive me, this is somethink incredible!!! I produced one i 2004 years just 2 litters, in 2005 just 3 litters (inclusive the litter of Doris) and I keep from this 3 litter for me 7 puppies- this is for you industry dog????? My first litter in 2008 borns just last months! Are you so crazy or so stupid or so not serious person, if you write somethink like this oficial in your homepage!!!!!??????? How money puppies produced your company friend in Polonia? How money puppies produced you??????? Kennely whit 2-3 litter every year is for you industry dog?????????? What for shit you write about me and my family??? When we got puppies, we take frie from work, all our family take the care aout the puppies, they are growing whit us at home, sleep whit us in bad and this is for you industry? Belive me, my husband is more angry then me self, when he rememebr you at our home and all was for you perfect and now we read this shit? What is this? What happened whit you Susane???? Many people told me about you only bad story and I still has not belivet, now I see how naiv I was and that you are realy very strange person!
I has more possibillity what I can to do. I can ignorate you (but whit this I will akcept what you write and I cant akcept any of your shit and lie worts you write in your sweden version!!!!
Even if in the english version is the opossit.
Or I can wait about you, that you self make all again cleen, correct and serious.
Or of course I can look for a help whit the advocat and international trial.
In my long breeding historie (since 1996) I never meet such not serious person as you and Im still hope that all is because you are angry I dont wont to sale you any more dogs (from my "dog industry area" !!!).
Best regards
Sarka Bajerova and family
www.ofbajer.com
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And the answer I got very quickly (in some minuts). This is the answer:
fuck of
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I hope this is the first and the last owner of our dogs such stupid, umserious and primitiv as Susen Arenholtz ::)
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I have mail with same kind of answer
she was with out phone not paid, with out money for repair of car 2 times, with out money for hotel in Polen, with out money for phone bill, with out money for x-rays of stasia, with out money for grosery and cigarets, I paid for her, was going to get a puppy for it, never got the puppy, didnt get all my money back, only very litle!!! has my mastercard and recets to prove it.
Got same ansver fuck off and so on,
plus mails written to Swedish Kennel klub not in her name regarding my own dogs, she has never been at my house but are still able to write stuff there are not through to swedish kennel club.
She used the same mail
adress not in her name to write to me, got the coppy from Swedish kennel club of mails she has written to theme regarding lies of me.
She are waisting the kennelclubs time by her false acusations. ??? ???
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I can only feel sorry for a person like this. She has made threaths towards me on e-mail and said very very bad things about ALL swedish breeders and also Italian. She thinks that we are all jelous of her dogs. ::) ::)
It started when I contacted her about her breeding made with 2 of her dogs with Hd C Ed 1 on the female and Hd D Ed 1 on the male. My question about this, she could not take, and started being really mean.
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I realy dont like if a persen there buy a dog, dont take up the matter with the breeder, I have buy dogs and I prefer to argue with breeder not making a game to show bad matters on my homepage in another language, I have argue with breeders where I have dogs from, and we are still friends.
I am realy upset that Sarka have to prove her self from a dog so very and very god in breeding. with so god show results, it makes me upset.
where have the world come to, behaving like that!!!!
if my was dog I would be happy.
Well I got Italia from Montse and Flauros, I am very happy.
I got Grace and Monsita from Luigi I am happy we will argue to all time, but still respekt from me.